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What's Hell Like?

The Reading of the Week: Matthew 13:24-43. Click here for a review of Matthew 13's context.

"Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned."

"Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age. The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace."

There it is. It's ugly, I don't like it, and I don't want it to be there, but there it is, Jesus talking about eternal punishment. It's black and white, so the only two options we have are to claim that they were added in later and aren't the voice of Jesus, a move which then casts skepticism over all of the Bible, or to accept them as original and seek to understand what Jesus meant.

So, assuming we take the second route, what was Jesus getting at? It seems to me there are three major questions to ask. First, "Is hell a literal and physical place?" The second is, "What's it like?" And the third is, "Who goes there?" Matthew is helpful with all of these questions.

On the physicality, the central issue has to be the idea of the resurrection, after all, if death is the separation of body and soul, then there is nothing physical about a person following death and thus no need for a physical hell ... unless of course there is a resurrection which reunites body and soul.

In Matthew 22:23-33, Jesus engages in a brief dialogue with a group of religious leaders in his day known as the Saducees, a Jewish sect known for their denial of a resurrection at the end of the age. While the focus of their conversation wasn't the resurrection itself, Jesus closes out their dialogue by affirming an End Times resurrection of the dead. Therefore, given the physical nature of the age to come, it seems appropriate that we think of hell as a literal and physical place.

So what happens there? If we look just at Matthew 13 (both verses 42 and 50), we would say that there's never-ending fire. However, this isn't the only image used to describe hell, rather, in Matthew 8:12, 22:13, and 25:30, hell is described as "outer darkness", an image that seems to clash with light emitting fire. Then, you also have Matthew 24:51 where a guy is cut into pieces and sent to the place hypocrites dwell.

Taking this collection of images, the best way to understand hell is not to think of it as a place that's literally dark or on fire, but it's a place where there is extreme and perpetual suffering and struggle because God is not there to sustain the creation. You could say that hell is the world without the presence of God.

Given all of that, who is it that spends eternity in hell? The answer to this question is simple. In each of the six places in Matthew where it talks about somebody experiencing the weeping and gnashing of teeth, it's a result of them rejecting God's good gifts. In other words, it's God letting people experience what they've desired all along, life without God.

Question: The idea of hell is obviously abrasive. What can we do to talk about hell in a way that eases defensiveness, but doesn't water down what the Bible teaches?

h-e-double-hockey-sticks

I think this is an important conversation to have. Just recently I was reading about some of the disturbing things coming out of Brian McLaren's (of "Generous Orthodoxy" fame) mouth about the possible absence of a "real" hell.

In hearing that, I wonder if part of the reason that people are not likely to believe in an actual hell is that we have portrayed hell as something completely unrealistic. We've done the same with heaven, but everyone wants to go to heaven and so they don't question it.

Still, the nebulous and ethereal answers of "hell is just a place outside of God" don't communicate reality either. It may be entirely true, but it's a little too abstract for us to grab on to. I think that's why Jesus speaks of specific actions that will happen in hell, but doesn't give a setting.

So I guess that's my question - how do we talk about hell without giving it a backdrop?

in Christ,
jW

being in the box

I hear you Jay, saying life without God is something we can't comprehend simply because, all of us, whether we realize it or not, have always experience life with God's in-depth involvement and we can't really imagine what it's like without him.

The same goes for heaven, given that we can't even begin to process life without sin, how can we begin to imagine a sin free existence?

We're trapped in the box of our experience and God, along with heaven (or the new heavens and new earth) and hell are on the outside.

Could the way to approach this be to find what we do experience of heaven and hell in this world and seek to personify that? That seems to be the idea behind what Jesus is doing.

Is hell never ending natural disasters and broken relationships?

I think you're onto

I think you're onto something here, Joe. After all, the Lord's Supper is described as the foretaste of the feast to come. A glimpse of heaven? And so, the 'bad' stuff that we experience may be what Hell is like. I would think that it may be physical suffering but maybe even more than that; emotional. Weeping and gnashing of teeth remind me of loneliness, depression, guilt without forgiveness, being crushed by one's actions...basically the full weight of the law.

On another note; I have always found these two descriptions of hell helpful. Now I'm not going to say that this is what hell is like but gave me some insight. The first and the best is C.S. Lewis' The Great Divorce. Describes both hell and heaven in a fictional narrative. Great book and probably my favorite. The other, and I've only watched it once because it absolutely terrified me was the movie: Event Horizon. A ship transends time and space; disappears for 10 years and comes back; people try to find out where it went; ends up it went to hell and carries a piece of hell with it. Horrible theology but you get the idea.

The Great Divorce

Yes, I like the view of Hell as described in "The Great Divorce". It is a hell of our own making where our own sin in Hell creates our punishment and distances us from others in Hell. Yet I wonder if that, though fictional, describes a scripturally sound possible view of Hell. My question is does scripture say God will punish those in Hell or as in "The Great Divorce" our punishment in Hell will be a result of, our own doing? Or is this an open question?

need to read

Hum, I'm thinking I need to read The Great Divorce.

As for the Biblical portrayal of hell, I don't see anything that says God will be there punishing people or take any joy in the reality of hell (which would fit well with the idea of hell being life without God). Rather, I'd say, if we're there, it's our own fault.

Hell and the image of God

PineHall, actually I would answer your question as both. To be removed from God's presence is in fact the punishment.

The best way for me to understand hell is applied to "the Image of God." If people were essentially created to reflect God’s glory, and conform to the likeness of God, then the result of that would be a state of loss. In other words, the fall/separation from God begins a process of losing the intended image, retained faintly in our lifetime and lost in the afterlife. God’s rescue mission is essentially a movement in restoring the image, but a complete loss of the imago dei is a state fully separated from the presence and intended creation of God.

The punishment is the full removal of God's image which is the natural result of the loss.

stinkin grammar

I was really pulling on the bit, "God will punish those in Hell?" So I was imagining God sitting there sticking pins under somebody's toenails and saying, "Don't you wish you believed now!"

Loving your thoughts pdelsignore!

I know Christians who ...

do believe that God will actively inflict punishment upon those in Hell. And that idea is also an argument used by those angry atheists to discredit Christianity, They say, "Who would want a God like that?" It does not quite fit with a God of love. That is why I like pdelsignore's answer.

Insightful Answer!

Wow, I don't think I ever thought of it that way but it makes sense. I like your answer. It also could fit with the picture of Hell in "The Great Divorce" where without the Image of God the people there just bring out the worst in themselves. I am going to have to think about this. You have given me food for thought. Thanks for the good answer!

a friend's comment

I had a friend comment last night that she really hated my depiction of hell in the article. It's because, at first, it doesn't sound all that bad, but when you begin to think of how many ways that God is integrated into our world, and how he's holding the whole thing together, the thought of him not doing that is terrifying ... not only in our own lives, but in the lives of others and even the world around us.

Great article Joe. I am one

Great article Joe. I am one of those people who finds any talk of hell very uncomfortable and so hard to swallow. Thanks! You have given me a bit to think about this weekend!

it sucks

I agree, any talk of hell sucks! I wish there was an easy way to avoid it!

confused ....

ok I get where you are all coming from. God is love and how can our God allow no physical pain for eternity. If you carry that back, when Sodom and Gamorrah were destroyed, when the earth was covered during the time of Noah, the Walls of Jerico (sp) came down. No harm came to any people who chose not to believe or went against God. What happened to them ? How were they spared the suffering then and now ?

It's my belief that God is patient with all of us, allowing us all free will to choose which way we go during our lifeime. When we pass on, His back will be turned on those who chose not to trust , and they will suffer not only eternal seperation but also physical pain that "their world" had.

also confused

I don't think you're following where we're at. I'm not saying that God will not allow physical pain in eternity, I'm just saying that I don't like the whole hell discussion and that I don't see hell as a place where God is standing there physically inflicting the pain on people ... like some eternal torture based interrogation.

confused no longer..

you're right. I misunderstood the whole conversation.

sorry all